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Old 10-01-2020, 02:27 PM
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Has anyone been using laser on their metalshaping? It looks like magic in the video. They are no longer priced out of reach. Similar to high end TIG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsTBPh2vKL4
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Just seen the video Bill , would love to have a go....

Modern manufacturers like Volkswagen laser weld there roof panels....It is done so that in a impact The forces are transferred over the car and down to the rear of the car..... to save the occupants..... When l used to do jig work we were told to check the back of the car for damage.
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Can you add filler rod when using the laser welder ?
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Old 10-04-2020, 06:22 PM
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You can add filler with a laser. Mold repairs are frequently done with filler. But this gun thing? I have never seen one live.
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Just looked at several vidios , there is a lot of info missing like what shielding gas are they using ,what about how far did it penetrate . It looks like it would be great . do I need 3ph , or would my 220 line work ,or just a regular 110 line .
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Just looked at several vidios , there is a lot of info missing like what shielding gas are they using ,what about how far did it penetrate . It looks like it would be great . do I need 3ph , or would my 220 line work ,or just a regular 110 line .
I went and demoed this machine at one of the distributors when the original model was introduced a couple of years ago. You can use standard Argon as a shielding gas and I think there was the possibility of a couple of others if I recall. There are a total of three models now with the most expensive one being around 30K . I still have a sample of SS and the weld is pretty impressive ; at least visually. I never attempted further analysis .
We also welded up a part I designed for a table base made in 16ga CRS and the weld bead size and control were hard to argue with compared to tig.


I looked at it for the possibility of welding brasses ( which is a lot of what I was using and still do occasionally) . It was of no use for this purpose ( hey, Iíll try anything once). Unfortunately I feel this is the future of welding as it becomes perfected further since thereís a shortage of welders and the world automates what is otherwise a great career.
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I finally got to do a demo the IPG Lightweld. Fabtech show, Chicago. I am impressed. I used the machine with the cleaning feature. $27k. Ouch. The pictures are my first time using this machine. It is pretty automatic. I had help with the setup. But once it is dialed in the welds are perfect. Much less skill needed. Note the uniform oxide on the back side. And I did it without my cheaters. The lap joint allowed the guides on the gun to follow the joint. Not so with a butt joint. The cleaning feature is super handy with aluminum.

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I also did a demo on the Virtual welding trainer at the Lincoln booth. This may get more young folks welding. Just like a video game.
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Old 12-17-2020, 02:56 AM
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Has anyone been using laser on their metalshaping? It looks like magic in the video. They are no longer priced out of reach. Similar to high end TIG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsTBPh2vKL4

(some of the early buyers for handheld laser welding were pawn shops - they drove the market for a while, for one mfr.)
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Has anyone been using laser on their metalshaping? It looks like magic in the video. They are no longer priced out of reach. Similar to high end TIG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsTBPh2vKL4



They're only showing the gun. Wait till you see the size of the machine... And the price tag. I watched the video and all I could see is that the welds were not full penetrating. Look closely when they show the backside of the weld. In the real world of metal work, how often do you think this method could be used?
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Default hand laser welding - update

I am still watching this. The IPG system still looks like the best. With a high price as well. ($16000 and up) I think everything is there now, except the budget. Purge gas is nitrogen, so you'll save some there. There is a cleaning cycle to remove oxide on SST. If you used it enough, the labor savings would pay for it. I signed up for a demo. Stay tuned.

https://go.ipgphotonics.com/lightwel...SAAEgLmd_D_BwE
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