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Old 07-02-2020, 01:30 PM
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Congratulations Kent on MSOTM, you have contributed so much to these pages, so it's about time we said thanks for all your help and input.
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Old 07-04-2020, 07:20 PM
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Wow - thanks to all you guys, very much.


I keep tossing out responses to the posts I feel I can be appropriate to, and then I just keep posting the nonsense I tangle with here.


So - a synopsis of the job - since I finished the last panel yesterday. (hobbling on a poached-but healing nicely- foot, and with two hands that got dinged along the way ... sigh. )

Sequence #3 -#7 ...

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Hand-held air shrinker

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Straightedge shows depth of shape = 3.5in at each end, diagonally measured across deepest shape.

More coming ...
Happy Fourth, and best appreciation of our Freedoms!
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Congratulations Kent on MSOTM, you have contributed so much to these pages, so it's about time we said thanks for all your help and input.
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Old 07-05-2020, 12:17 PM
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Hi Kent

Thanks for sharing your wisdom and experience wish us, very much appreciated!

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Old 07-07-2020, 04:58 AM
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Well deserved Kent! More like metal shaper of the millennium
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Old 07-07-2020, 12:40 PM
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Congrats Kent. Thanks for all that you have contributed and made available to the community.
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Old 07-08-2020, 02:10 PM
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Hi Guys,
Glad to help adding what I can to the storehouse of tools and methods.


Here are the last of the 9 panels needed:
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And a few misc images of the process, start to finish:
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"Make a plan, work the plan, stick to the plan."
Lines show layout of hammer pattern.
I follow the pattern, keeping hit rate even so hammer pattern is consistent.

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Oil on a steel surface is an old hammerman trick - mix kerosene and 30wt 50/50 - saves friction, grabbing, hiccups/swells in your pattern.

(Or other mixes - penetrating oil and wax? - to taste.)

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Curved marks show where shape is, and where to go.
(Vague linear marks are from my flat-faced linear dies, about 1.5in long, and tapered.)

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This is the TM Tech #6 motor that we make. It hits very hard to shape the 16 ga mild steel - shapes fast enough to gain, but not enough to overrun the operator.

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Pretty good amount of shape + good surface.

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Linear marks, tape boundaries starting, shape arriving to 3/4, shoulder sling needed.

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Adding tape boundaries as we go. Linear marks show angle of shape corresponding to the way the metal opens up into the shape needed.
1/2 of panel surface is shaped here.

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Tape boundaries show up better than black pen, after being hammered over.
Panel getting close.

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Contour of panel shows shape is near to completion. Hammering (or rolling) this shape in 16 ga stiff steel requires shoulders, arms, elbows, wrists and hands to be in good physical condition. The hammered work-hardened steel needs to be physically cranked into "flat" where the hammer contacts the sheet - OTHERWISE you just add damage rather than shape. !!!
And you are also pulling and shoving and torquing the panel to follow your "PLAN" very accurately. End of day will show a good workout has transpired.

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Late in the game like this, the panel snaps HARD into another shape, so your fingers can get tender when "chomped" between the steel jaws of the metal surface and the steel balls, below it... WHANG!

Once should be enough, per panel??

Note: This big Six motor is designed to behave/perform like the other 5 motors we make and sell: Controllable at 1 or 2 hits for nitpicking, then a slow pace for very exact shaping, and a gentle lope for pacing out routine patterns, or a good gallop to get you to your destination efficiently.
I used all hit-paces on these panels.
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Old 07-10-2020, 03:16 PM
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Default Linear dies

From looking at the top surface of the panels you can see vague evidence of linear dies being used to hammer the helix/helicoid - because the shape is "reversed" and not hollow/dished/able to hold water.

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Basic linear die design goes way back into smithing techniques, centuries ago, evidenced by the lined hammer/anvil marks on ancient jewelry.
Traditional lower dies have a straight contact area, sometimes rounded over to various degrees, sometimes flat.
Helpful to efficient shape production is understanding how die vs shape geometry applies.
(aside from the topographic layout of hammer patterns for shaping)


The venerable hotdog die:
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Leaves this pattern (linear, thin)
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Other dies, made for specific reverse curved shapes:
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Leave some patterns like these:
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Tapered both on width and on length.
(lightbulb thingie here )

This job had marks like these:
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.... Using dies 2in dia. and 3in. dia.

When the panel surface can be accurately managed, large dies are helpful - if power is available. (ie: change "planishing" power UP to "PUNISHING" power.)

Yes, taper on width helps promote shape efficiency - and taper on length does, too ... and ... when combining both together on one complex shape: !!!
(PS: I like to say it took "months of heavy drinking" to arrive at this conclusion.)


Yeehaw!
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Old 07-11-2020, 07:13 AM
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Very impressed with your knowledge and skill set!
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