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John your preaching to the choir when you tell me about trying to make a living at anything along the creative/lost art/craftsmanship line of work. I owned a highly custom woodworking business for years then chased the dreams of being a country music star comedian/entertainer for the last 15 years. BUT knowledge and ability to do thing like this is worth more than anything you can learn in school these days. I graduated time and again top of my class in the school of hard knocks and still taking classes lol. So along with getting my grandson interested in learning this or any other real mechanical skill I will instill in him the value of a good education and further education with a degree in business.
Never had a grandpa that I was old enough to remember much about & my dad never did anything with me or tried to teach me anything. I'm looking forward to spending quality time with the grandson building a relationship and neat stuff that will live in him long after I'm gone. Not only are we shaping metal but were shaping lives. |
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I would not recommend this as a way of making a living. I don't know how a survived the first ten years or so, the stress of trying to deal with customers unrealistic expectations and reluctance to pay for the work at a reasonable hourly rate..........Nightmare! I don't know if it got easier or if I just got better at coping with it I still just get by and could probably make more money working at the local supermarket or sweeping the streets.
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http://pinkeesrodshop.com/default.aspx Anywho, on a visit I asked what their going shop rate was, and it's only something like $30 to $35 per hour. That is pretty cheap if you ask me. I come from a machining background where $75 to $100 per hour for shop time is common. Eric is super busy too. I counted 14 cars in various stages of completion in his space. Here are some of Pinkee's awards, just to show you his outfit is one of the countries better builders: Pinkee's Rod Shop Awards & Achievements
So I agree with all of you. It must be damn hard to do this for a living. Especially if guys like Eric with his impressive credentials, can only get a modest shop rate. No way to compete against that. This metal shaping will be a hobby for me. You have to admit, many of the guys on this forum are SERIOUS about this hobby. Just look at some of the tools and machines they have! David |
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I say give china all your bluebrints let-em build their second rate crap outa' bad quality materials and then sell them for half of what it cost's us to build them and when they break you can cash your unemployment check at WalMart and go buy another one. 90% of my tools are American made 5% from GB & Europe the other 5% you guessed JUNK. Go ahead spend $59.95 for a swivle head machinest vise 50 lbs. of scrap cast iron. because if it doesn't break in less than a year I'll kiss your A. Take it for what it's worth. Look at the lable it tells you where it's made. Buy it, or not, IT IS YOUR JOB. and it IS SECOND RATE JUNK. Ask me I tried to save money and BROKE EVERYTHING MADE IN CHINA. delete this move it hopefully pay attention to it There are exceptions but damn few.
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Ted, Why do you sugar coat things? Why don't you let it all out and say what you feel?
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Figured I'd beter keep it PG hey I got a Dodge, a Pontiac and 2 Harleys AND all my Whirlpool appliances are made in Clyde, Ohio. spend your money where you make it and you'll always have a job. When they said to BUY AMERICAN during WWII it was to build a stronger country. GO ahead buy Chinese......NOT ME.
ARGH!!! just looked at the lable on my computerCHINAya' just can't win
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John, your either misinterpreting what I'm saying or because of my dislike for typing and lack of skills at it I'm not expressing myself properly.
I don't want to make a living at making/selling tools but if I can make a few bucks then that would be great. I know almost everybody here has the capability of doing anything I can and more. But not all want to spend time doing certain things. If I can make a useful tool or tools that are below a certain dollar amount then people are more apt to buy it rather than make it. I "DO NOT" want to steer my grandson into this or any other creative business as a means of making a living. Just to teach him some skills and get him interested in things like this for hobby and bonding reasons. His dad literally cannot change a light bulb. My daughter or exwife has to do it. I'd hate to see my grandson grow up like that. Besides what's more fun and rewarding? going to a car show to see what others have done or taking your own vehicle that you bhilt or restored? Would you rather watch the drag races or go and drag race your self? This thread has really went way off track. |
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OK, I agree, if his dad really can’t change a light bulb you should guide your grandson as much as possible . ~ John Buchtenkirch
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