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Old 03-26-2019, 09:24 PM
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just to be clear i have done a lot of stone work but more freestanding walls and retaiining. no real precision artistic stuff
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Old 03-27-2019, 06:32 AM
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As said, it depends upon what is being done. Generalizing by saying a hammer is a hammer isn't the best way to put it.. Saying " If it works for you, use it" is better.

Some hammers are tempered harder than others by design to strike a softer object. These will chip at the face, usually along the edges, when you hit equally hard objects. If tempering is appropriate, often the dimensions and mass are not.

Peter Tommasini's "big" blocking hammer is approx 3lbs, which isn't very heavy by stone-working standards. Easy to get a small drilling hammer around 3-4lbs. But Peter's blocking hammer- which I really like- has a much longer head so can produce deeper work than most compact stone hammers. I have some very long-headed soft stone bushing hammers that would offer similar reach and work ok, especially if I reshape the striking faces.

An important lesson involves buying cheap tools, repurposing or making your own- modified hammers, corking tools, dollies, etc- only to find they easily chip and mar. You'll get good at polishing out dings and damage. Then you get some "real" tools that don't need such attention and they're a game changer. You'll also likely treat those "real" tools differently after learning how to efficiently wreck cheap tools.

Try what you have, learn what you need and go from there. You may or may not already have the best tools......
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Old 03-27-2019, 09:49 AM
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i did not want that response but kind of figured thats the way things go. got a chance to buy some used proper tools for stone. then will look for metal tools.tools are like an addiction. never have enough. i tried to pm you but i do not know if it worked. just curious what you work with for stone where you live.off topic but your work is impressive.
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:16 PM
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No problem. There's tools I want and tools I have & lots of $$$ between the two..... sounds like we're in the same boat.

Not many metal-specific tools here, compared to stone and wood tools. I bought a nice set of Martin bodywork tools, then was disappointed when I started trying to create shape in metal instead of simply restoring a shape that had already been there.

Peter T likes to slightly modify the heel of the face a normal larger ball pein hammer for closing up tucks while shrinking metal. Until I get a "real" metal-working cross pein hammer, I am using a spare stone hammer with a long cross chisel back typically used for splitting during masonry work. Works pretty good after rounding the sharp ends so it doesn't cut or tear the metal.

Didn't see a pm yet, but check your email.
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Old 03-27-2019, 04:23 PM
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I bought a nice set of Martin bodywork tools, then was disappointed when I started trying to create shape in metal instead of simply restoring a shape that had already been there.

Yo Cliff,
So you are saying that there are design differences between sheet metal "shaping" hammers ....

and sheet metal "smoothing, planishing, finishing, and fitting" hammers....
If so, very helpful to point this out for new guys.
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Old 03-27-2019, 07:22 PM
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ok i am not so far off as i was trying to get close ups of hammer heads to see their design. enough talk i think i know enough to make mistakes. educated mistakes maybe, not sure
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Old 03-31-2019, 07:03 PM
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Troy
Here another repair project , as you will see anything is possible with hand tools,
Specific instruction from this owner NOT TO change the quarter
Peter
PS no body filler was used, it was file finished and then finished off with 80 grid paper on speed file

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