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Old 02-20-2016, 07:27 AM
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Robert Robinson and Tommy Tyson signed on for another Day of instruction from Per and Patman. Tommy wanted to complete the model fender that was used in the regular class.

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Old 02-20-2016, 03:18 PM
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Will- do you or maybe someone coming to RR have any of the rivet guns as discussed in the recent free forming/flow forming threads? I have never held/run one and would like to feel one in operation to compare to the numerous pneumatic hammers I use here daily. I don't need to hit metal with it, just hold a tool in it and feel it.

As noted, I'll be in on Fri in case anyone has one and can bring it for me to see. Thanks.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:37 PM
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Looks like you guys up there are having a lot of fun .
Good to see that you all having a good time and learn a lot from Per and Patman
Well done!!!!
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Old 02-21-2016, 07:10 AM
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Cliff:

I have a few generic air chisel hammers, but have never 'formed' with them.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:02 AM
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I have several rivet hammers that I can bring. Including a 9x that has a .495 shank size. I was waiting to see if anyone else local was gong to bring one before I chimed in.
On another note, I have pneumatic rivet squeezers and a rivet shaver as well. I was trying to limit what I haul up there. But if someone has a need to use them, let me know today. You will need to supply your own rivets.
I will finish loading the truck on Monday.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:15 AM
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Carey, I am interested in seeing what those tools look like. Bring them if you have the space.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:22 AM
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Here are the pictures from the second class being put on by Per and Patman. Much was learned from them both as well as Jim Hery on the fine art of gas welding steel.

Below in the first photo is the start of the class showing Pat (Patman) Brubaker, Teddy Hefner, Jim Hery, Bill Lonyard, Scott White, Jake Ladd and Bob Baisden.
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Below, Per is answering a question regarding flat vs full radius anvils, and was extremely good at explaining adjusting to any lower anvil to any style wheeling machine.
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The next two photos are explain the advantages of shrinking the perimeter of a low crown panel prior to use on the wheeling machine by a single person.
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In the next two photos, per is showing that a low crown panel can be wheeled in an inverted position and still do the right job. It was hard for me to believe, but it really worked well in controlling panel flow when working alone.
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Below, this photo shows parts for Jim Hery's 1935 Bugatti Stelvio door latches that were scanned by Scott White and then sent to a 3D printer for 'building'. The new part is on the left and the old part is on the right side. This part was 3D PRINTED in brass, not molded or machined.
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Old 02-21-2016, 12:05 PM
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thanks, Carey and Will. I'll bring a variety of what I use as well with airline and typical air valve, in case there's others who want to do some comparing. Just need to hook them up to your compressed air line. I'll try to pretty up the ugly tools I've spontaneously made & used on metal with them....

These hammers I use can do fantastically delicate work and their condition has a lot to do with their performance. New ones are typically harsh and tight, sometimes almost unusable so performance can be very misleading until they're well broken in, often min 500 hrs of use. New/unfamiliar users often give up before then and never realize these tools' full potential.

Different brands have earned different reputations. They may not aircraft-industry grade, but a tiny crack/check on a carving turns into a catastrophic failure either quickly or after yrs/decades of environmental exposure. Either one is a failure that we have to avoid, so the hammers we use are not chosen lightly.
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Old 02-21-2016, 04:05 PM
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I've used stone carving tools to work thin copper.
Sometimes I've chosen my rivet guns "heavily."

Or I choose from the name brand aviation models:
Cleco
Ingersoll Rand (IR)
Chicago Pneumatic (CP)
Sioux
USATCO
APT
Desoutter
Dallet

Trigger control must be sensitive.
Air control definitely advised.
Air swivel can be helpful - and a leader/whip hose.
Very slow hits desirable.
Single hits, also.

(ps, I have been building, rebuilding and modifying rivet guns since 1987.)
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Old 02-21-2016, 06:45 PM
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This is the last day of classes, much has been accomplished and learning tips and tricks as fast as the head can absorb them. New metal shaping terms such as Fabri-Cobble, Gangster Forming, etc.

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