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RockHillWill 06-21-2017 08:44 AM

I updated my arbor press to use 'Patman's' new offerings.
 
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I have seen some things made at Oblong using an arbor press, but did not pay much attention until Pat Brubaker brought his new 'tool' offering to the last class that he put on here at the Redneck Ranch. It was very impressive, and being the inveterate tool collector that I am, I acquired the only set that he brought with him. I only had a very small arbor press, but Pat was very clever in the manner that he has designed his tool assortment, and I grew to like it a lot. It is slow, and that is good for me quite often. There is a story behind Pats latest offering, but I will leave it up to Pat if he wants to share that story.

At any rate I acquired a slightly larger arbor press and mounted it to an existing tool stand and had some plates water jetted to array and display all the dies at the same time.

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Steve Hamilton 06-21-2017 10:17 AM

looks good will.:)
Steve

crystallographic 06-21-2017 11:55 AM

Here's some more squishing ideas:
https://www.riogrande.com/Product/Bo...ter-Kit/110509

Bonny Doon has been going awhile .... sometimes it takes awhile to develop a really functional mechanical gizmo....:rolleyes:

cliffrod 06-21-2017 01:43 PM

Looks great, Will. I was happily surprised to see PatMan's kit set up with your smaller press. We had a great conversation about what an arbor press can do. Pretty deceptive. If you have or find a cheap arbor press, it's a no brainer. The throat depth is the primary factor determining the size of work can be accommodated.

I've been working with this process for a while now and like it a lot. For certain shapes, it's fantastic. It is slower than other powered methods but it is silent, totally self-contained and very kind to sore body parts. It isn't going to do everything, but it will do a lot while not creating or leaving a single tooth mark that needs to be filed or sanded off like the Lancaster-type shrinkers/stretchers. Very cool...

I've also been wondering how feasible it would be to convert one with an electric motor- especially after seeing Will's nicer shrinker and stretcher that he built- to cycle the ram. Pretty sure someone else will get to it before I ever do.....

John Buchtenkirch 06-21-2017 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by crystallographic (Post 137625)
Here's some more squishing ideas:
https://www.riogrande.com/Product/Bo...ter-Kit/110509

Bonny Doon has been going awhile .... sometimes it takes awhile to develop a really functional mechanical gizmo....:rolleyes:

Your very limited by the close distance between the vertical members of that kit. I think you’d have a really hard time making your money back with that, I just can’t see it as being all that useful. ~ John Buchtenkirch

bobadame 06-21-2017 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by John Buchtenkirch (Post 137632)
Your very limited by the close distance between the vertical members of that kit. I think you’d have a really hard time making your money back with that, I just can’t see it as being all that useful. ~ John Buchtenkirch

Looks to me like it would be very handy for motorcycle tins.

RockHillWill 06-21-2017 08:30 PM

"I think you’d have a really hard time making your money back with that"

I hope Patman will post the reason he went to this trouble to provide this particular offering. It's not about the money.

cliffrod 06-21-2017 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bobadame (Post 137637)
Looks to me like it would be very handy for motorcycle tins.

use a plain arbor press for the bike fenders, tank parts to weld, etc and save a ton of money over the Bonny Doon. I think there's any number of quality machines available through AMS members/companies here that would be a much, much better investment...

I got into the arbor press stuff specifically to do bike parts. It's really easy to be too aggressive with it. A 2 or 3 ton press will often have a throat of 10"-12" and usually only cost up to $300 or lots cheaper if you look around. It doesn't take much effort to move the metal- the only reason to buy a bigger tonnage press is for the increase in throat depth. A little 1/2 ton press will easily shape alloy or crs panel. That's what I mean by how deceptive this process is.

Before I bought the Bonny Doon, I would get a regular shop press with much greater dimensional capacity (and maybe air over hydraulic and more... $1k-$2k will buy a LOT of used shop press) and make some tooling for it. Some are doing it with a regular shop press instead of an arbor press.

Another one of the lingering projects here- I've been watching for both another cheap arbor press (to cut up) and a shop press frame. i want to be able to replace the hydraulic Jack with an arbor press ram and actuating lever as a better approach than working the Jack. Turning the ram and lever sideways would probably make it even easier to use a foot pedal to run the ram and free up you hands.

cliffrod 06-21-2017 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHillWill (Post 137638)
"I think you’d have a really hard time making your money back with that"

I hope Patman will post the reason he went to this trouble to provide this particular offering. It's not about the money.

Will, i think that comment was directed at the Bonny Doon kit. It costs as much as one of Peter's HandBuilt English Wheels!!...... PatMan's kit isn't that expensive, is it?

RockHillWill 06-22-2017 09:23 AM

I think you are right about that Cliff, I wasn't trying to be critical, I was trying to get Patman to 'explain' why he did this particular project. I found it to be inspiring.


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