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Babygee 10-21-2018 06:39 AM

How would you weld this
 
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How would you guys weld the long join on this panel I would normally mig it to keep the distortion down but wondered if gas welding would be ok or would it be to hard to control

Mike Rouse 10-21-2018 08:09 AM

Is that a butt weld or an overlap seam?
Mike

Babygee 10-21-2018 08:15 AM

It’s a joint

Babygee 10-21-2018 08:16 AM

It’s a butt joint

gashammer 10-21-2018 12:45 PM

I generally TIG weld the long-side sections on Buses. I can tell you from experience that the repair you are doing is one of the most difficult to do correctly.

I always remove the floor as it usually needs replacement and it's the only way to access the back of the weld. Also, it's a good idea to planish as you go. That big, flat panel doesn't take heat well. I tack it up. Do a light planish then weld and dress as I go.

Here is the latest one I've done on my personal project. Not a split, but a similar process: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/vi...=asc&start=100

Cool Mango, semaphore Bus, by the way...

Babygee 10-21-2018 02:26 PM

It’s not mine it’s a mates I welded this one up a few years back the whole side was a mess but was on a tight budget so we just did what we had to I ended up tigging it it turned out ok but would like to get it a bit better
It’s actually the yellow bus in the back found I’ve got to do now
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Brzeczyszczykiewicz 10-21-2018 03:05 PM

Take pictures. For me, T3 from 1981 is waiting in line.

Charlie Myres 10-21-2018 04:59 PM

All the legends on this site seem to prefer oxy welding.

Good luck!

Cheers Charlie

crystallographic 10-21-2018 06:30 PM

long welds on flat panels
 
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If I tiggyed it, I would use the .040 tung, #3 cup and 40-60A.
If I torched it, I would use a #0 tip,

Tack and planish full length, either method, until tacks are 1.5-2in o/c.
Then start at one end and weld 3in, and then hot planish - with a rigid straight edge on the panel every minute. Repeat until done.

Hint: I do not let the panel get ahead of me.
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THIS IS NOT A LONG WELD. (Steel panel for an old XKE.)

I've had to weld a lot of flat panels, and have gone to file finished in most cases...

Sedans, coupes, vans, panel trucks - sides, roofs, hoods, floors, firewalls. Steel and aluminum.
This is what works for me, and is a variation on the different styles/procedures I have learned from the senior metal men, over the years.
Methods are generally the same - how you combine them is your style.



(p.s. - I have long arms w/6.5ft total, fingertip to fingertip):)
I'm not much good working inside trunks and engine compartments, though. :rolleyes:
:):)

Babygee 10-22-2018 04:51 AM

It’s how I would have done apart from would have probably tried to run the weld in one go after tacking but I think your approach might keep it in check a bit more

rustreapers 10-22-2018 08:20 AM

Uno spot.
 
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I MIG welded mine last week one spot at a time. I would rather have made the panel in one piece and had 2 sides with stock welds.

Attachment 49411

Attachment 49412

MP&C 10-22-2018 08:53 AM

Tacking with the TIG, minimal HAZ but will need absolute tight joints...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTqQJoecqCw






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gashammer 10-22-2018 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Babygee (Post 149924)
It’s how I would have done apart from would have probably tried to run the weld in one go after tacking but I think your approach might keep it in check a bit more


I did the whole weld in one pass...once. Kent is right on the money with his advice. The only thing I can add is to keep your hammer blows light. That panel will want to swell up like a balloon if you use shaping blows instead of planishing blows. A compound curved surface can swell up a bit without being noticed but not that near-dead-flat panel. Also, I've found that my slapping file is a terrific tool to gently raise low spots when doing these long-sided.

Good luck from a fellow Busman!

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1536946.jpg

Babygee 10-22-2018 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gashammer (Post 149928)
I did the whole weld in one pass...once. Kent is right on the money with his advice. The only thing I can add is to keep your hammer blows light. That panel will want to swell up like a balloon if you use shaping blows instead of planishing blows. A compound curved surface can swell up a bit without being noticed but not that near-dead-flat panel. Also, I've found that my slapping file is a terrific tool to gently raise low spots when doing these long-sided.

Good luck from a fellow Busman!

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1536946.jpg

Was that with tig or gas
Very nice van

gashammer 10-22-2018 05:57 PM

I used TIG, and thanks!

Unfortunately sold a few years ago. I have another in the works.


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