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MP&C 03-10-2016 10:29 PM

1947 Biederman Truck Fender Repairs
 
Tonight in the shop we started the repair work on the front fenders for the 1947 Biederman Truck, seen here for reference:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%203604.jpg

The fenders are made using 16 gauge steel, so this may be a bit challenging when we get to blocking and wheeling patches for the fenders themselves. In the meantime (while still waiting for the new English wheel) let's get started on the inner fenders. The driver's side is the worst, with so much rotted away that we couldn't get accurate dimensions. The passenger side was in much better condition, but just shy of 70 years has taken its toll in adding some wavy distortion. So we'll remake both sides for a better match.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%203644.jpg

In order to get a more crisp bend on the 16 gauge steel, we used a tipping die in the Lennox to thin the metal at the line of the bend.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204254.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204261.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204265.jpg

Bending in the Baileigh Magnetic Brake..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204258.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204267.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204268.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204270.jpg

This detail shot shows how the thinning helps get a tighter bend..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204260.jpg

Next, we needed a profile template for the rear radius, so the kick shrinker is used on a folded 19 gauge strip to add the radius..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204279.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204278.jpg

A flat folded strip works better than an angle as if you shrink too far in this direction.....

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204280.jpg

......you can simply shrink the back half to reverse the effect without the need for changing to the stretching die..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204281.jpg

Now with an accurate pattern, we can use the template on the new inner fender..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204282.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204286.jpg

All trimmed...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204290.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204291.jpg

With the new clamped to the old, we can see what the years of abuse has done..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204292.jpg

One down, one to go..

Gojeep 03-11-2016 02:56 AM

Looking forward to seeing you do this one Robert. :)

Jere 03-11-2016 12:36 PM

This looks like a fun one. :D :rolleyes:

Jere

Janne 03-11-2016 02:16 PM

Same here, keep it going :)

For me it still takes much time to shrink or stretch the folded strip to right radius but eventually I get it..more practise :D

MP&C 03-12-2016 09:15 PM

Today we got the second inner fender cut out, and took them both over for a test fit on the truck

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204303.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204304.jpg

The driver's side has a bolting plate in the middle of the frame for the steering box, so a relief notch was in order...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204306.jpg

....as well as a bit of trimming for some clearance so that the paint won't be chipped off on the first test drive. The fabrication of these parts are done, and we hope to pick up the Tommasini Wheeling Machine soon so we can get started on the fender patches..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204307.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204308.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204309.jpg

MP&C 03-14-2016 10:00 PM

Had a question about placement of the thinning groove, so I thought I'd post the results of the test sample...




Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodsTruck
Question about the use of your tipping die for bending a straight line.


What would happen if you made the divot on the back side of the bend instead of the front? I realize you are referring to this as "thinning" the metal, but aren't you actually forging it in a sense since you aren't actually removing metal but compacting it primarily? To my inexperience it would seem that a tight bend could be made without the resulting trough if the tipping die was used on the backside of the bend.


Fantastic work though, wish I had half the knowledge and tools to do that stuff. I'm a graduate of the BFH school.



Here's the test from tonight. The 16 ga thickness measured out to about .057, at the "thinning" groove it was .053, so we lost about .004 in thickness, or less than 10%. Put the thinning groove on the outside for this bend, it tended to stretch the deformity back out again where it looks like it could be more readily cleaned up with a file..



http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204337.jpg



http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204338.jpg



So where the bending process allowed the groove to stretch back out....



http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204341.jpg



...it also gave us a wider radius than when the thinning was placed on the inside of the bend...



http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204342.jpg



So I'd say to use placement based on if a tighter radius is needed or whether you need it dressed out. Given our original intent was a tighter/sharper radius, I'd place the thinning inside the bend to support that..

MP&C 07-01-2016 10:03 PM

John's getting ready for engine start ceremonies, so I guess I need to get off my duff here. To help out in that regard, next we'll fabricate the battery tray which I don't believe came with the truck when John got it. Here's the best we have for a pattern:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204646.jpg


The hold down bracket for the prescribed Group 4 battery was with the truck, so we did some test fitting with the inner fender in place. It is a bit cramped for space, and John expressed concern of the availability of the Group 4 battery. Most local sources only carry the Group 1 in stock, which would also be a better fit.. So out with the old...


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204644.jpg


I did miss getting in the flat pictures, but here is the freshly folded and welded hold down bracket for the new battery size.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204639.jpg


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204640.jpg


All trimmed and prepped for paint..


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204641.jpg


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204642.jpg


Comparing the new to the old...


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204645.jpg


Next will be the new battery tray.

RockHillWill 07-02-2016 07:57 AM

Nice , Robert. I look forward to all your posts.

MP&C 07-04-2016 01:44 PM

Thanks Will!


...and now for the battery tray, shown here cut to size and sides folded up...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204650.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204651.jpg

For the end folds, the cut was started using a .035 cutoff wheel..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204652.jpg

...and our trusty jig saw again...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204653.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204654.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204656.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204658.jpg

Both ends complete, and frame holes have been piloted. Once checked to the hole spacing on the frame they can be drilled out for the 3/8 bolts.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204659.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ure%204661.jpg

SATAUS 07-04-2016 05:27 PM

Nice job Robert thanks for taken the time to showus.


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